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Monday, February 25, 2008

Soupy's On! WNEW-TV, March 1965

One of the first posts on this blog consisted of some pictures I had taken on a visit to the set of The Soupy Sales Show in New York. Guess what? I found a few more.

It's appropriate that Soupy's crew appears in these photos, because the crew was a big part of The Soupy Sales Show. We didn't see them at home, but we sure heard them. Soupy played to his crew. I somehow doubt that there was a meeting when crew laughter was considered, then adopted as official policy. The crew's near-constant laughter was not premeditated. These guys just couldn't help themselves.

When Soupy himself laughed on-camera, it was nearly always commentary on the show. Soupy laughed, most often, at things we couldn't see... things he never explained.

  • He craned to looked over the edge of the window when Pooky momentarily disappeared - and laughed at Frank Nastasi's difficulties in grabbing a prop, or trying to pull on the Hippy puppet with the hand that was already inside the Pookie Puppet.
  • In close-up, standing near the camera, Soupy would look to one side or the other and start laughing, presumably at one of his crew members.
  • When at the radio, Soupy would crack up when Frank Nastasi flubbed a line, which became even funnier when Nastasi broke the illusion that Soupy was tuning around the dial... by addressing him directly.


That's the stage manager, Eli, above, turning away from Soupy. Soupy talked about Eli so often that Eli became a recurring character on the show. Unlike the people who came to the door to annoy Soupy (all of them Frank Nastasi) we didn't even get to see Eli's hand, but he was more real than any of Soupy's visitors. Soupy did fat jokes and thin jokes and dumb jokes about his crew.

And here's the brilliance of it all: this made it funnier, and hipper, to the kids that were watching. Many children's shows had live, on-stage audiences... of children. And so, naturally, the host worked to the kid audience. Because Soupy worked to other adults while doing a children's show, Soupy's viewers felt that they were given access to the adult world. We weren't laughing at things other children were laughing at; we were laughing at things grown-ups were laughing at, and that made us feel pretty good.


We took it all for granted. Now we can see that it was a very specific, very special period of time. It was local. The people on our screen were live and they were from our town; they knew what the weather was like outside, at that moment.

We've lost local in the past 42 years. Local stores have been replaced by big box chain stores. Local restaurants yielded to franchises. Local hosts for kid's shows moved from 'endangered' to 'extinct' many years ago.

Thank goodness that talented people like Soupy... and Chuck McCann, Sandy Becker, Sonny Fox, Bob McAllister, and Fred Scott had careers that coincided with the narrow window of local TV supremacy. Those of us who were around for it... will never forget how good it was... and how good they were.

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13 Comments:

  • Okay, I visited your blog for the first time, and the first post really hit home for me! I used to work in local radio, and now, in the world of media conglomerates, there is NO local radio (at least in mid-size markets like my home town). It's a pity, because radio and TV broadcasters use spectrum that is owned by the people. It's a natural resource, and we are entitled to wise use of it. But once the FCC media ownership rules were 'relaxed', we were on a course that couldn't be changed. Anyway, I couldn't agree more with your point. Great post!

    By Blogger Unknown, At February 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM  

  • Very important point you made about the people on live TV knowing what the weather is like in your town at the same moment as the audience. Danny Kaye once played the Hollywood Bowl on a Saturday afternoon and a sudden thunderstorm drenched the crowd. Rather than ignore it, he brought several kids up to the stage and made them sing a song with him in the downpour, to cement the moment in time for everyone's memory. He was getting rained on just like everyone else. That level of showbiz panache is long gone.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At March 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM  

  • Absolutely correct. One of the saddest things is that so few of the shows of Sandy Becker, Soupy Sales and Chuck McCann were saved. While I can show the many network television stars to my daughter, like Jack Benny, Jackie Gleason and Lucy, I cannot possibly explain to her how funny someone like Soupy Sales was and how happy and hopeful he made a kid of eleven or twelve feel.

    By Blogger Jay Raskin, At May 11, 2008 at 11:56 PM  

  • Incredible photos!! I was one of the kids who hung out at Channel 5 back then, and your pictures brought back memories. A few notes: That's actually Lenny Messina not Eli Bergman in the one photo. Eli was the stagehand & prop guy. Bishop Sheen did a show at Channel 5, and Eli was his "angel." Lenny was the Stage Manager, later replaced by Sal Bua.
    I'm going to share your page with Soupy. His health is fragile, but as long as he answers the question "are you comfortable?" with "I make a nice living," I know he's okay.
    Were you one of the "regulars" at Channel 5?
    And Jay---there are 2 dvd collections of Soupy's stuff available. Go to soupysales.com, or look on eBay. Hopefully, more of Soupy's Channel 5 shows will come out.

    By Blogger Kathyo, At July 3, 2008 at 10:41 PM  

  • I was one of the Assistant Producers of the "Soupy Sales" Show that aired in New York City on WNEW-TV, CH. 5. Phone number was (212)LE5-1000. I remember Frank Keane, Lenny Messina (Wantagh), Ken Geiman (New Hyde Park), and Carmen Gebbia, the makeup man. I left in 1966 due to being drafted to Vietnam. Because of my experience on the show, I was one of the "Good Morning Vietnam" DJ's in Vietnam. These were GREAT memories.

    By Blogger Kevin O'Hare, At October 13, 2008 at 1:03 AM  

  • I was one of the regulars at channel 5. I also remember Donna Duckwall, (not many of the kids liked her) Ralph Spaniardi--cameraman and Arte Forrest. Carmen taught me a lot about stage make-up. Became really good friends with Frank. Those were great days.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At November 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM  

  • KEVIN O'HARE or MARCY.....would one of you be capable of making a drawing or diagram of the layout of the set and studio of the Soupy Sales NYC show at 205 E 67th ?

    The dimensions of the room, camera placements, where Frank stood, the mike boom position, the arrangement of the area behind the door and windows, where people entered the room to work, etc.....was it a large room with the set at one end, for example ?

    I think this would all be fascinating, essential and ground-breaking information about Soupy's show that is so far unknown to all of us serious fans.

    It would be so great to have a detailed diagram of the Soupy's NYC show set and preserve this key information about the show before it is lost to the mists of history, as people connected with it pass on.

    If someone would like to send such a diagram to me I would happy to post it myself; you can contact me at ndnyc05@gmail.com

    Regards to all, Nicholas West

    By Blogger Nicholas West, At November 8, 2008 at 3:24 PM  

  • Gosh, Nicholas, it has been so long ago, I can't draw, and I am terrible with measurements, so I don't know how much help I can be. I remember it was one big room. Chairs were set up in the back for the audience. There were only a certain amount of people let in for the audience. There were many disappointed kids. But they would keep coming back, and eventually get picked. That's why Donna was not liked, because she was the one doing the choosing. We would all wait outside the studios and wait to be picked. Then we would wait in the lobby, till We went up in the elevator. I was one of the lucky ones. I was always let in. Besides Frank letting me in, I think they liked my laugh! They said it was contagious. If you listen to the shows, you can usually hear me! The cameras were in front of us. If I remember correctly, Ralph was usually to the right or to the center. There were alot of wires behind the door backdrop, and up, on the right behind the door was a monitor, which, if you remember the time that "Fang" was at the door and they played a joke on Soupy, and filtered in a naked woman through that monitor!! We entered the room from the back (behind the audience)then there was space before the chairs, where they "hung out" then the cameras and then the set. I remember a long, narrow hallway, in the building where the make-up room and dressing rooms were. Oh, yes, and to the left (looking at it) of the prop door, was the puppet stage for Pookie. Frank used, as one of his Pookie bits, (the sneezing bit, if anyone remembers) from a story I told him, imitating a friend of mine's funny sneeze! Ahh, such wonderful memories! Those were the 4 best years of my life! Anyway, Nicholas, I could probably look at a diagram, and point out things. I will contact you at your e-mail, and see if I can help you any further. Btw, Kathyo and Kevin, I remember Eli, as well, and when he was replaced by Sal (short, chubby and jovial) I also remember Lenny and Frank Keane. Anyone remember when he was in Lenox Hospital? We went to visit him and brought him silly gifts. Ok, sorry for the long post, everyone. But don't get me started talking about The Soupy Sales Show---I may never stop!! lol Hope you all have a great holiday. Marcy

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At December 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM  

  • Hey, c'mon all you "Soupy groupies" out there. Let's help Nicholas. Let's keep the memories alive!! Kevin, as asst. producer, you should remember some goodies.

    By Blogger Marcy, At December 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM  

  • I was a kid out in Suffolk County, Long Island (Central Islip) and there was a large group of us kids on the block and at school who hurried back into the house to catch Soupy. Sometimes we'd call each other up if Soupy was doing something even more unusual than usual.

    You remember that, right? Being outside all the time because your mother told you to! Ha.

    The old tapes are nice, but like others have said, it's hard to describe the electricity of "live" TV aimed directly at YOU. Once in a blue moon they hit it at Saturday Night Live, but it pales in comparison. Soupy was simply on fire for us kids 5 days a week.

    I always wanted Lenny's job and worked in television as a young man when I moved to Raleigh, North Carolina in the 1980s. I even got to work as a production assistant/floor manager on a live "aniform" show called "Barney's Army," so in some small way, I lived the dream for about 18 months as a character named "Vito."

    I had drawings of Pookie all over my notebook in the 4th grade.

    Your narrative, ILT, of Soupy's show and the photos (they resemble the old trading cards that had the blackboard on the other side), brought it all back in ways youtube can't.

    Thanks!

    By Blogger Tony, At January 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM  

  • Hi,
    I googled Ken Geiman's name and came across your site...I was delighted to read about my number one favorite show as a kid, The Soupy Sales Show! I am looking for info on Ken Geiman because I just became acquanited with him through his live-in home health care aide. She is my friend and introduced me to Kenny, and I visit him every so often. He has been telling me about his career in TV, and I wanted to verify what he has said, because, well he is getting on in years, and his memory isn't that good. But he is a delightful man and I love talking to him. He told me that he was the director of the Honeymooners when they were with Dumont.Some of the things he told me check out, but not him being the director. But when I read one of the comments naming him as working on the Soupy Sales Show, I got so exicited, and I will deinitely talk to him about it next time I see him. Do you have any info on him?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At April 19, 2009 at 9:38 PM  

  • I am but a lowly fan of Soupy. I can remember running home everyday to see his show. I am a result of Soupy Sales and the Three Stooges. I saw so much of Soupy in the character of Pee Wee Herman. Paul Rubins must have been a big fan too. Thanks Soupy, you were and are one of the bright lights of my life. You show me a one foot tall king and I'll show you a 12" ruler.

    By Anonymous Rick Hickkman, At May 7, 2009 at 6:02 PM  

  • Wow, does that bring back memories. I always liked Soupy, he was a class act. I remember him on WNBC also. All the talent from those Kids shows of the 60s were great. Soupy was different in that we could see Rock and Soul acts that weren't on anywhere else. I first heard Little Anthony and the Imperials on his show. I believe he had an evening show on Saturday nights for awhile too. What a great time to be growing up.

    God bless you Soupy. You still bring a smile to my face.

    By Blogger Johnny X, At November 1, 2009 at 2:26 AM  

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